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Following the cold trail of the JanSport D-series packs.

My somewhat odd fascination with the JanSport D3 backpack was explained in an earlier post: Ode to the JanSport D3 backpack. What follows here is a very general roadmap of the D3’s history, and that of its sibling packs, the D2 and D5. I have tried to piece together an approximate timeline to satisfy my own curiosity and this information will be of absolutely zero interest to those who continue to follow this blog, hoping to read about fly fishing. I’m merely putting this information out there for the rare person who, like me, may find it somewhat interesting or even useful.

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And why, one will surely ask, might this information be useful? Well, because there are a fair number of vintage JanSport packs available through various online marketplaces, and most of those packs are clearly being sold by people who don’t know much—or anything, really—about their item. For example, I’ve come across more than a few eBay listings for packs that are often described as follows:

“Vintage 70’s 80’s JanSport K2 External Frame backpack Hip Wings HUGE”.

While I acknowledge that most of these ads merely feature popular search terms to draw buyers in, there is also a lack of knowledge about the items being sold. Nearly always the seller doesn’t even know what decade the pack is from and seldom do the ads list the model of the pack. That’s because the sellers don’t know. And likely the seller could care less could not care less. Chances are they came to obtain the pack at a flea market or second-hand store and they just want to sell it for a quick profit. I’ve encountered only two sellers who actually knew something about the origins of their packs: One was selling a D3 they had acquired from a friend who was the original owner. And while the seller had access to the year of manufacture, the original owner didn’t know the model of the pack. Another seller was the original owner of the pack they were selling, but even they did not remember the model. I’ve also lurked in various hiking forums where certain JanSport packs were being discussed, and many folks, while they know enough to use the term D2, D3 or D5, don’t know really one JanSport model from another. I’ve even seen “D4” used to describe these packs, and of course there was never a D4 pack.

It’s understandable that there can be so much confusion over an item that was manufactured as long ago as the early 1970’s. And despite there being some level of demand for these vintage packs, it’s a very small number of people who make up this market. I personally find this micro-niche to be quite interesting, and while I’ve gathered what information I could, there’s still an awful lot I don’t know about the history of JanSport’s D-series of external frame backpacks of yore. JanSport as a company is a far cry from what it was during the 1970s and it’s not as though one can call up customer service and get any sort of meaningful information about products from an era long-removed from the present. I’m sharing what I have been able to track down to date, and would kindly request that if anyone reading this has more detailed information, please leave a comment so I can correct/update my information.

JanSport began making innovative panel (front) loading packs in 1967, the frames of which were the first adjustable aluminum pack frames. Based on that early design, the D-Series of technical mountaineering packs was launched in 1971, originally designed for a Dhaulagiri Two expedition in the Himalayas. Specifically, this first expedition-oriented pack was called the D2 (Dhaulagiri Two) and was the largest capacity pack of the D series (5220 cubic inches). It can be easily identified by the large “JanSport” logo across a removable fanny pack attached to the outside of the man pack bag (this detachable bag was for carrying crampons). The D2 also had a single, large pocket on either side, with sleeves for carrying skis or poles. It was a panel-loading pack with a U-shaped upper bar, from which the top of the pack bag was suspended. This trademark feature carried across many other JanSport models, giving them all a somewhat similar appearance. In 2011 JanSport released a modern version of the D2. The re-issue pack even featured the original style hip suspension system and a retro second-generation JanSport logo. I’m not sure how well the reissued pack sold given the trend toward internal frame packs and ultra-lite backpacking.

JanSport D2. Likely from the mid- to late 1970's.

JanSport D2. Likely from the mid- to late 1970’s.

Jansport D2, mid-late 1970's.

Another JanSport D2 from the late 1970’s (owner believed it was 1978).

JanSport D2 (reissue), 2011.

JanSport D2 (reissue), 2011.

Similar to the D2, the JanSport D3 seems to have been designed less specifically for mountaineering expeditions and was geared more toward the long-haul backpacker (which is not to say that the D3 wasn’t also a mountaineering pack). The D3 was a large capacity pack (4146 cubic inches) capable of carrying very heavy loads more comfortably than other packs of its day. If availability on the used market today is any indication, the D3 became the most popular of the JanSport D-series packs over time. A trademark feature of the D3 is the large leather attachment patch (or crampon pad) on the outside of the lower bag compartment.

The JanSport D5 was the little brother (or sister) to the D3. Both models are virtually identical in appearance although the D5 was designed for smaller folks up to about 5’7″. While the D3 measures 39″ from top to bottom of the frame, the diminutive D5 measures a mere 34″. The depth of the D5 is about 8″, which is 2″ smaller than the D3. The width of the D5 bag is 14″compared to the D3 which is 14-3/4″ wide. The upper frame extension on the D4 is contoured as well, likely to provide more clearance for the wearer’s head. It is not impossible to find a D5 on the used market but it is more challenging than finding a D3 because sellers do not know what they have. To the untrained eye, a D5 may easily be mistaken for a D3, but if one knows what to look for, they can find it. I’ve been able to find only four packs that I determined to be the D5 based on measurements provided me by the seller.  After months of scouring listings I was fortunate to find one in excellent condition that was worth purchasing. The D5 is a very reasonably sized pack that I actually intend to put into service. I’ll save one of my monstrous D3’s for when I do a thru-hike of the Pacific Crest Trail and don’t want to stop to resupply 😉

JanSport D5 (left) and D3 (right), of the same vintage, circa mid 1970s.

JanSport D5 (left) and D3 (right), of the same vintage (circa mid 1970s).

Another look at the diminutive JanSport D5 and monstrous JanSport D3.

Another look at the wee JanSport D5 and monstrous JanSport D3.

In addition to being 5 inches shorter, the depth of the D5 is 2 inches smaller than the D3.

In addition to being 5 inches shorter, the depth and width of the D5 is notably smaller than the D3.

Another thing that the D-series packs had in common—and what also set them apart from non-D-series JanSport packs—was the much-ballyhooed hip suspension system. Apparently this was an optional feature so you may find an old D3 or D5 without it. As time progressed and JanSport added more models to the lineup, other non-D-series packs could be had with the hip suspension system. But it was the D2, D3 and D5 that first featured the hip suspension bars, oft-referred-to-as “Hip Wings”. These U-shaped tubular bars were attached to the pack frame via pivot joints that allowed the wings to swing inward and outward (and to be folded out of the way or laying the pack flat). The suspension system can also be adjusted fore and aft to adjust the angle of the pack while being carried. Early versions of the hip suspension joints featured pivot joints that were metal on metal. JanSport obviously saw this as a design flaw which they soon remedied by adding plastic/nylon bushings on subsequent models. Overall the quality of the D3 was considered to be very good, although it has been said that the bushings in the hip suspension were prone to cracking over time. One of my late-70’s D3 packs has a cracked bushing but is still perfectly functional. The hip wings were attached to the hip belt via clevis pins fastened through leather-reinforced nylon patches (JanSport used ample leather in their design of these packs). The shoulder straps were also anchored to the hip wings.

I’m not sure exactly when but I believe that it was circa 1979-1980 that JanSport moved away from the tubular hip wing and began using straight aluminum bars for the hip suspension system. I base my assessment on the fact that in 1979 JanSport launched the Alpine Phantom mountaineering pack which featured the new hip bar design. This newer design was attached in a similar fashion to the hip belt, again with a healthy patch of leather for reinforcement. Ultimately JanSport changed the hip suspension to feature all plastic parts and, from what I’ve read, this was not necessarily an improvement.

Early 1970's hip suspension system. Note the lack of white nylon bushings where the pivot joint attaches to the frame.

Early 1970’s hip suspension system. Note the lack of white bushings where the pivot joint attaches to the frame.

Mid 1970's era hip suspension system. Note the white nylon bushings where the pivot joint attaches to the frame.

Mid- to late-1970’s era hip suspension system. Note the white bushings where the pivot joint attaches to the frame.

JanSport D3 hip bars, early 1980's.

JanSport D3 hip bars, circa 1979 or 1980.

1980s (?) model hip suspension bars.

Hip suspension bars on a late-1982 D3.

1990's newer (but not better) hip suspension.

1990’s newer (but reportedly not better) all plastic hip suspension.

JanSport was owned by Vashon Island-based K2 Corporation from 1972-1982. If your pack has the frame tag bearing reference to K2 you can be sure of the decade in which it was manufactured. After 1982 frames featured a different tag.

JanSport was a division of K2 from 1972-1982

JanSport was a division of K2 from 1972-1982. This is on a mid-late 1970’s model.

JanSport frame tag, post K2 era (1983–)

JanSport frame tag, post K2 era. This is on a late 1982 model).

The D3 retained virtually the same appearance until around 1982 (when the company was sold by K2). After that, black compression straps with plastic side-clasp buckles replaced the tan-colored straps and metal ladder buckles. Back padding, shoulder straps and hip belt also were black and featured mostly plastic hardware. Around the beginning of the post-K2 era JanSport frames changed from the earlier bronze-colored, anodized aluminum to a bare finish. Later in the 1980’s the D3 further evolved in appearance, incorporating areas of contrasting black nylon on the different colored main bag. The bag become attached to the frame via plastic clips as opposed to the previous-era packs which used fabric straps and metal ladder buckles. The shape of the zippered main compartment changed from the earlier, rounded/half moon shape, to more of a somewhat squared-off look. In the late 1980’s a zippered pocket was added to the outside of the main bag. By the 1990’s the D3 took on an even more different appearance and the trademark large leather patch appears to have become no more. I believe by this time leather was no longer used anywhere on the packs. I’ve heard it said that later versions of the D3 were not of the same high quality as were the older packs, and based on my limited experience I would agree. I have three D3 packs from the early- to mid-1970’s and every component remains intact and solid. I bought a mid-1980’s D3 that was in like-new condition for the most part, but both of the shoulder straps were broken where they attached to the frame using plastic tabs. The seller did not disclose this, so I returned that pack. The cost to repair the straps was nearly as much as the cost of the pack itself.

Perhaps as old as 1972, the first year of the Jan Sport D3.

A very early 1970’s model JanSport D3.

A pair of JanSport D3 packs from the mid-1970s.

A pair of JanSport D3 packs from the mid to late 1970s.

JanSport D3, post 1982.

JanSport D3, late 1982 model. Note the black straps and frame color.

JanSport D3, mid 1980's

JanSport D3, mid 1980’s.

JanSport D3 from the late 1980s.

JanSport D3 from the late 1980’s. The last of the leather.

JanSport D3 from the 1990s.

JanSport D3 from the 1990’s. Where’s the leather?

Another JanSport D3 from the late 1990's.

Another JanSport D3 from the late 1990’s.

 

JanSport changed their logo over the years and that—depending on the logo your pack bears—may help place the approximate age of the pack. I wrote to JanSport’s customer service department but they were unable to tell me what years their different logos were in service. Instead, they suggested I send my packs in to their warranty department for assessment. The cost to ship the packs is prohibitive, however, so general approximations will have to suffice.

Jansport original logo.

JanSport original logo. You won’t find a D-series pack with this version.

Early 1970's JaSport logo (note the two words)

Very early 1970’s JanSport 2nd generation logo patch (note the two words and open letter spacing).

JanSport logo, second generation.

JanSport logo patch, later second generation (note the single word and tightened spacing of letters). This patch is from a 1975 pack.

JanSport logo, 3rd generation.

JanSport logo, third generation. Probably later 1970’s to early 1980’s.

JanSport logo, 4th generation (earlier).

JanSport logo patch, likely mid to late 1980’s.

JanSport logo, fourth generation.

JanSport logo patch from the late 1980’s and 1990’s.

JanSport current logo.

JanSport current logo. As much as things change, they stay the same.

 

If you have a JanSport pack that appears on the surface to be a D-series but has neither the large leather patch on the front of the bag, nor the hip suspension system, the pack could be the JanSport Cascade. There were enough similar (yet different) models of JanSport packs made over the years to make it confusing today. There is no mistaking a D2. The D5 and D3 are easily identifiable with their large leather crampon pad and hip suspension system (although, as mentioned earlier, this was an option). Another JanSport model, the Appalachian, was similar to the D3 but has a different pocket  configuration and is easily identifiable. It’s too bad JanSport didn’t affix the model name to every pack they made through the years. If they had done that we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

JanSport Cascade? (not a D3).

JanSport Cascade (not a D series).

JanSport Cascade: Look, Ma-no wings!

JanSport Cascade: Look, Ma-no wings!

In 1973 a JanSport D3 would have cost $75 (source: article from Field & Stream, December 1973). Back in the day that was a fair chunk of change to drop on a pack. Factoring in the cost of inflation, that $75 would amount to $439 today. I’ve not seen one listed for even half that amount, so despite there being a market for these old packs, they’re not keeping pace with inflation. Prices are not unreasonable on the used market (typically less than $150), but shipping is not cheap for such a large item and that can be as much as or more than the pack itself, depending upon where the pack is being shipped from. As collector items, these old JanSport packs are probably not the best investment, but hey—you can’t place a value on nostalgia. Perhaps in another 20 years my collection of vintage JanSport D-series packs will be worth a little more than what I paid for them.

 

JanSport ad from the mid (?) 1970's. The price of a D3 was $129.

JanSport ad from the mid (?) 1970’s. The price of a D3 was $110.

JanSport Ad, date unknown.

JanSport Ad, date unknown.The price of a D3 had shot up to $124.99

 

I’m looking forward to a multi-day backpacking trip this summer, and filling my JanSport D5 with much lighter gear than was available when the pack was manufactured in the late 1970’s.

33 thoughts on “Following the cold trail of the JanSport D-series packs.”

  1. Mark Lehr says:

    Thanks for the article. I enjoy your postings. I have a D3 I bought new in 1975. A lot of money for a college student back then but a huge step up from my old Boy Scout canvas pack.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Thanks for being perhaps the only person to read this article. 😉 I’d be interested to see a photo of you pack if you’d be willing to send me one. Knowing that you bought it in 1975, seeing the logo/patch would go a long way toward supporting (or refuting) my vintage assessments of those old packs.

      1. Mark Lehr says:

        Mine is identical in color and logo to the one in the figure with the caption “JanSport logo patch, later second generation (note the single word and tightened spacing of letters). This patch is from a 1975 pack.” Mine also has a JanSport accessory stuff sack that attaches to the frame below the main pack. I used it to carry a down sleeping bag (another expensive 70’s purchase). I’ll send you a photo.
        Lot of great memories associated with that pack.

        1. Kirk Werner says:

          Fantastic. This really helps to confirm things. Interesting that your pack also came with the detachable stuff sack. Obviously these are items that have gotten lost over the years because only that one D3 I purchased still had it.

  2. Dear UA, I may be the second person to read this article, but I would have been the first, if the web had taken my message. Good to see you back.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      I never said I was back—just back for now 😉 Cheers to a New Year!

  3. Jim Boch says:

    Well here is number 3. I have based on your description a d3 late 80s vintage. It has a zip off day pack. The logo without the mountains and the leather pieces. It has the plastic wings. I bought it from sport mart around 1992 I’m taking it on the AT this fall. My big 3 load is over 15lbs.
    Your research really helped me identify this pack. Thank you.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Glad the info was of some value to you, Jim. Your Big 3 load isn’t too bad at all considering the size of the pack. My hunch is that you’ll carry it comfortably and get a lot of comments on the trail. I’d love to see a photo of your pack.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Very interesting. Never before have I seen a JanSport pack like that, or heard of a D4. My hunch is that it was a short-lived model. When the company was young they may have experimented with different styles/models. Clearly the D2, D3 and D5 packs endured, while this one did not. Thanks for sharing that!

  4. Bob Dockendorf says:

    Thanks for a great article. I have a 72 D3 and a couple of D5s that my kids used.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Cool that you still have your old pack. 72 is a pretty early model–I’d be curious to know which logo it has on the patch?

      1. Bob Dockendorf says:

        Kirk,
        I was wrong. I purchased the D3 in 1978. I had to review some old photos to confirm when I first used it. I was still in college in 72 so I should have known better. Thought I had it for some backpacking in 76 and 77 but that was not the case. I was a Ranger in Glacier in 78 and used it there for the first time. I loaded it up with medical supplies to carry up to a barrel cache at the Grinnel Glacier in September. I can carry a ton. The waterproof coating on the inside is a little worse for wear but all the other components have held up well. The logo is the Plain word JanSport in red letters on a blue field. No mountains.
        Thanks again

        1. Kirk Werner says:

          What a time that must have been, working as a Ranger in Glacier during that era. No doubt you’ve some great stories. Thanks for confirming the date/logo of your pack.

  5. Layton Montgomery says:

    Thanks for this great article. I bought a new D5 model in the mid 70’s and used it for about 25 years for both backpacking and travelling internationally. Unfortunately, it disappeared somewhere in my travels, and I miss it greatly. My daughter wants to do some backpacking, so I was doing some searching for packs and came across your article. I would like to get another D5 if I could at some point. I honestly do not understand why external frame packs went out of favour. I live in Australia now, and external frame packs simply do not seem to exist here.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      That’s a bummer your old D5 went missing. They are available on EBay from time to time, but not sure about the Land Down Under. Maybe you can have someone in the States make a purchase and then come visit you 😉 I don’t understand why the move away from frame packs, either–they’re so versatile and just carry the weight better. Thanks for the comment.

  6. Arnold Stellema says:

    When i was in scouts in the 70’s and 80’s the D3 was the Holy Grail. My folks couldn’t afford one so i went to Philmont with a pack from Kmart.

    Now i am 54 and going back to Philmont – with a vintage D3 (sadly the flat steel paddles rather than looped bars) i got off eBay! I found one of the later (plastic paddle) versions for my 16yr old son, but he poo pooed it and just spent two weeks pay on an internal frame pack. His money, his loss. I love the frame packs and will not be dragged into the future 😉

    Glad to see someone else treasures these packs!

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      We are kindred spirits! Ask your son how he feels after a few miles on the trail with his back sweating and shoulders sore from carrying the weight that should be all on his hips. Not all frame packs were created equal and the JanSport D series are amazingly comfortable. If more people knew, all the vintage packs be bought up. That’s why I’m cornering the market–for when they all become enlightened 😉 Thanks for the comment.

  7. WALTER W HUBICKI II MD says:

    Hello,
    This is going to sound weird, but thank you so much for this!!
    My Uncle was a graphics arts designer. He in advertising ad for YKK zippers and jansport. He gave my dad the d2 JanSport backpack. My dad modeled this in a picture of hiking up a steep incline in a forest.
    I used the backpack in 1986 to hike Philmont New mexico. Unfortunately we had incredible rains and the u-shaped suspension pieces broke as the pack became overloaded to about 70 lb.
    My sons are going to Philmont and I recently pulled the backpack out of the attic. In 1986 in the middle of a backpack trail I had to remove the broken suspension pieces.
    Does anybody know where these can be purchased?

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      That’s a cool bit of history. I think your best bet would be to try finding another D2 (or D3/D5) on EBay (or elsewhere) and buy it for the parts to fix your old pack. They do show up from time to time and are not all that expensive. Usually shipping such a large item is as much as the pack itself. Most sellers on EBay don’t know the model pack they’re selling so search for a “Vintage JanSport frame pack” and you’ll see the ones that have the U-shaped hip tubes. Just make sure it has the parts you need because as the years passed, they did change the hip suspension system. Good luck with your search!

  8. David Hodges says:

    Thanks Kirk,
    I really enjoyed reading your articles about the JanSport D-Series backpacks. Your research is solid and informative. JanSport did make a few top loading packs, I own a red one with the label being one word JanSport so it’s probably from the mid 1970’s. But Kelty Pack and other brands made top loading packs so that is why the JanSport D-Series is unique, functional, innovative and just plain cool looking! I prefer the tan pads and straps with metal hardware circa 1972-1982.
    By the way, the U-shaped hip bars can be removed to lighten the pack some. The pack will work just fine without them. The hip belt will attach to the shoulder strap bolt on the frame and hang from the back frame of the pack with the straps on it.
    I also have the rare Alpine Phantom pack in an orange color. It has the metal hip bars instead of tubing, though I removed those on mine. So, you are correct in the dating of the hip bars because I have a D2 also with the bars so it’s probably from the very late 1970s to 1982.
    Thanks again for the great article!

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Thanks for the informative reply—good info to have that helps fill in some gaps. Your Alpine Phantom is quite the collector’s item. I recall seeing one on eBay a few months ago that went for a pretty handsome price.

  9. a. burns says:

    Thank you for this article. As a result of it, I was able to identify which pack I have been using all these years. I am still using it and will be in the Trinity Alps in a couple weeks with it. It looks like I have the D3 from about 1985. I am the original owner. The shoulder strap broke recently which has me on the internet looking around and is the reason I found your article. I’ve heard that Jansport will still repair these given that the packs came with a lifetime warranty. Have you had any experience with the Jansport lifetime warranty on these packs?
    Thanks again for the effort you put into this research. I found it useful and helpful in resisiting all my family’s efforts to wean me away from this pack. People on the trail come up to me and refer to the pack as “a beast”.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Glad the I for was somewhat beneficial. I have not had the occasion to send a pack to JanSport for warranty repair, and I’m unsure if they still honor the old vintage packs. I did contact them about 6 months ago about replacement shoulder straps, and they told me they did not have any replacements in stock but had plans to offer straps in the future. I suggest first contacting their customers service and if that yields no results, look for a “parts pack” on eBay. That’s great that you still have your old pack—it’s definitely worth keeping in service!

  10. Ian Spielman says:

    Thanks for the great article. I have been using a D3 since the early 1990’s when I was a teen. I got it from a friend of my fathers who was transitioning to internal frame packs. He “sold” it to me for $20, which seemed a lot to me then, but now I see it was basically a gift. I’ve used it tons since then and it is showing it’s age, but I was able to score a replica on ebay and have combined them to a like-new pack to take with my boys to philmont this summer. I’ve tried my sons’ internal frame systems and they just don’t cut it.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      Thanks for the comment. That’s great that you still have your old D3, and that you also found a donor pack.

  11. Mark Blethen says:

    I am trying to find a replacement for a Jansport pack I had in the early 90s. I believe it was a D3, but it had adjustable dials on the hip wings that tilted the load forward and back. Any ideas what model that was? Most comfortable pack I ever owned. It was stolen in 1998 or I’d still be using it.

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      I don’t have a lot of familiarity with the later era D3’s, but if the hip suspension was adjustable via dials I’m going to guess that it must have been similar to the 5th photo of the hip wings in my article. In that photo there is a red “button” that appears to be part of an adjustable system. There is a similar pack for sale on Ebay at the time of this writing. I haven’t seen many of this era D3 on the used market so you should check it out: https://www.ebay.com/itm/312547410148

      1. Mark Blethen says:

        Yep. That’s the pack. Thanks.

  12. James S Boch says:

    I have a pack very similar to this ebay pack but green with the leather patch on the lower section for crampons. The red button releases the lock and allows the pack to be be adjusted for angle.

  13. Ronn Hagan says:

    Thank you for your article . I have a D3 I bought in 1974-75? It was a huge investment for a high school kid. I am on my way to donate it to the outdoor shop where I purchased it. It was the first one they ever sold. I have photos, but did not see how to attach them. Your article brought back many pleasant memories. Best pack I ever owned!

  14. Ward B says:

    I will echo what others have said, thank you for the article and the time spent researching this information. I came across this article as I was trying to locate and purchase a D3 or D5. My brother had the D5 and was the envy of his scout troop at Philmont back in the day. I found out later he got rid of it for a newer Kelty….ugh.
    I’ve been trying to find a good example of one, but I’ve not had much luck. I have a 90’s version with the plastic hip wings, as well as a Ranier, along with a couple of other JS models that seem to be pretty standard issue, but none of them are what I really want. I’m sure when I finally find the D3/D5 I want, I’ll pay way more than it’s worth, or should I say, way more than I should.
    At this point my collection of Jansport packs continues to grow, as the non D models seem to be a dime a dozen and no one seems to appreciate them any more.
    I have some nice internal frame packs as well, but they have no soul. Pffft North Face…lol

    1. Kirk Werner says:

      You’re not the first to have mentioned Philmont when reminiscing about the old Jansport D series packs. I need to know more about this seemingly legendary place! Keep up the search for a D3 or D5–they do exist if YOU know what you’re searching for—nearly all sellers have no idea as to what model they are listing. Use the following search terms and then look for the identifying top frame extension contour that will set the D5 apart from the more common D3: “vintage jansport external frame hiking backpack hip wings leather patch” You will find one of them. Post back with your results! Thanks for commenting.

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