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	<title>Comments on: Hello, Dolly — or just a bunch of bull?</title>
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		<title>By: Fishing interrupts a Pity Party. &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishing interrupts a Pity Party. &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] present immediately knew, without a shadow of doubt, the identity of the fish). Turns out it was a Dolly Var– er, bull trout.  Recent reports seemed to indicate that a lot more bull trou– er, Dolly Vardens were being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] present immediately knew, without a shadow of doubt, the identity of the fish). Turns out it was a Dolly Var– er, bull trout.  Recent reports seemed to indicate that a lot more bull trou– er, Dolly Vardens were being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts, Jane. We may never solve the puzzle, and I decided to stop worrying about it. Winter can be the time of year we walk a fine line between insanity and near insanity.
Spring is just around the corner...be strong. Go fish as soon as your waters are able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts, Jane. We may never solve the puzzle, and I decided to stop worrying about it. Winter can be the time of year we walk a fine line between insanity and near insanity.<br />
Spring is just around the corner&#8230;be strong. Go fish as soon as your waters are able.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted you to know how much I enjoyed your post. I too have been scratching my head over the taxonomic conundrum, especially the fact that I cannot actually find the alleged 1978 report (Cavender, I believe) that distinguished the two fish genetically. It was the 70&#039;s, what did they know about genetics, anyway. I was about to launch in writing some sort of field note on the whole mess when I came to the FUCK IT JUST FISH part.  And then I realized that the winter must be getting to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted you to know how much I enjoyed your post. I too have been scratching my head over the taxonomic conundrum, especially the fact that I cannot actually find the alleged 1978 report (Cavender, I believe) that distinguished the two fish genetically. It was the 70&#8242;s, what did they know about genetics, anyway. I was about to launch in writing some sort of field note on the whole mess when I came to the FUCK IT JUST FISH part.  And then I realized that the winter must be getting to me.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flyswinger,  no doubt you are wiser than I, and your words have assured me that I have caught at least one, maybe two species of native char! I&#039;ve stayed at a Holiday Inn Express at least once, though it may have been twice.  Not sure. Like the bull trout/Dolly debacle, those motels all look alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flyswinger,  no doubt you are wiser than I, and your words have assured me that I have caught at least one, maybe two species of native char! I&#8217;ve stayed at a Holiday Inn Express at least once, though it may have been twice.  Not sure. Like the bull trout/Dolly debacle, those motels all look alike.</p>
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		<title>By: FlySwinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>FlySwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this discussion boils down to is, &quot;What&#039;s the definition of a species?&quot;  As I understand it, species are determined when populations either don&#039;t share the genetics to produce viable offspring or they don&#039;t interbreed due to some isolating barrier, be it time or space. Either there&#039;s some physical obstacle preventing them from breeding (like the Great Divide) or they breed at different times.  Another barrier would be that, although the two populations look similar enough to our eyes -- they just aren&#039;t all that attracted to each other.  Take the mule-tail deer for example.  Every once in a while, mule deer and whitetails will interbreed, but probably because they just can&#039;t find what they&#039;re looking for.

If Dolly Varden breed at different times or in different locations from bull trout --even when their ranges overlap-- they could be different species.  If their spawning areas overlap and they can interbreed to produce viable offspring, they would be subspecies at best; otherwise they would be the same species grouped into populations of varying genetic expression, and these groups would be analogous to what we call &quot;races&quot; among people.

That&#039;s just what I understand.  I&#039;m no ecologist (working on it), but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this discussion boils down to is, &#8220;What&#8217;s the definition of a species?&#8221;  As I understand it, species are determined when populations either don&#8217;t share the genetics to produce viable offspring or they don&#8217;t interbreed due to some isolating barrier, be it time or space. Either there&#8217;s some physical obstacle preventing them from breeding (like the Great Divide) or they breed at different times.  Another barrier would be that, although the two populations look similar enough to our eyes &#8212; they just aren&#8217;t all that attracted to each other.  Take the mule-tail deer for example.  Every once in a while, mule deer and whitetails will interbreed, but probably because they just can&#8217;t find what they&#8217;re looking for.</p>
<p>If Dolly Varden breed at different times or in different locations from bull trout &#8211;even when their ranges overlap&#8211; they could be different species.  If their spawning areas overlap and they can interbreed to produce viable offspring, they would be subspecies at best; otherwise they would be the same species grouped into populations of varying genetic expression, and these groups would be analogous to what we call &#8220;races&#8221; among people.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just what I understand.  I&#8217;m no ecologist (working on it), but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.</p>
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		<title>By: Nerveracker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerveracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah so which is it?  Dolly Varden, Bull Trout..   I guess without tissue samples and blood tests, and comparing the DNA from each fish, the world may never know.  Kinda reminds me of that commercial for the Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pops.   How many licks does it take?   and now some naturally occurring hybrids between the two?  Ummm..  who&#039;s even more confused now?  Bullarden?   Bully Varden?    I dunno, I guess they&#039;re bull trout here in Oregon.  

This copied from a website 
&quot;Much ado is often made of the differences between very similar fish. While arctic char have long been prized for their beauty and succulent sweet flesh, Dolly Varden char have not always had the same cachet.

And then there are bull trout. Now the focus of major conservation efforts in Alberta, British Columbia, and the western United States, bull trout were thought of as garbage fish only a few decades ago.

In fact, these three members of the char family are extremely difficult to tell apart. Yukon fisheries officials are now relying on genetic tests, the only conclusive way to tell one species from another, to confirm which species live where in the territory. ...&quot;  
copied from http://www.taiga.net/yourYukon/col141.html if you wish to read the rest dealing with differentiating between Arctic Char, Bull Trout and Dolly Varden.   But, to me those first 2 paragraphs say it all, and the positive identification should be left up to those willing to do it (and the ones that have ample time on their hands and a large surplus of extra Benji&#039;s laying around).  I can tell  you this much, I won&#039;t be the one.  So, for now, it looks like that could have been either one!   Nice CHAR!   Aptly named now as such!  It is what it is.  

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah so which is it?  Dolly Varden, Bull Trout..   I guess without tissue samples and blood tests, and comparing the DNA from each fish, the world may never know.  Kinda reminds me of that commercial for the Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pops.   How many licks does it take?   and now some naturally occurring hybrids between the two?  Ummm..  who&#8217;s even more confused now?  Bullarden?   Bully Varden?    I dunno, I guess they&#8217;re bull trout here in Oregon.  </p>
<p>This copied from a website<br />
&#8220;Much ado is often made of the differences between very similar fish. While arctic char have long been prized for their beauty and succulent sweet flesh, Dolly Varden char have not always had the same cachet.</p>
<p>And then there are bull trout. Now the focus of major conservation efforts in Alberta, British Columbia, and the western United States, bull trout were thought of as garbage fish only a few decades ago.</p>
<p>In fact, these three members of the char family are extremely difficult to tell apart. Yukon fisheries officials are now relying on genetic tests, the only conclusive way to tell one species from another, to confirm which species live where in the territory. &#8230;&#8221;<br />
copied from <a href="http://www.taiga.net/yourYukon/col141.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.taiga.net/yourYukon/col141.html</a> if you wish to read the rest dealing with differentiating between Arctic Char, Bull Trout and Dolly Varden.   But, to me those first 2 paragraphs say it all, and the positive identification should be left up to those willing to do it (and the ones that have ample time on their hands and a large surplus of extra Benji&#8217;s laying around).  I can tell  you this much, I won&#8217;t be the one.  So, for now, it looks like that could have been either one!   Nice CHAR!   Aptly named now as such!  It is what it is.  </p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And indeed that is what they are, Rich.  Why do they need a label anyway, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And indeed that is what they are, Rich.  Why do they need a label anyway, right?</p>
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		<title>By: rich schaaff</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich schaaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often refer to them as bull vardens or sometimes
dolly trout but more commonly refer to them as FISH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often refer to them as bull vardens or sometimes<br />
dolly trout but more commonly refer to them as FISH</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, &quot;Schpanky&quot; - what you&#039;re saying is you were confused?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, &#8220;Schpanky&#8221; &#8211; what you&#8217;re saying is you were confused?</p>
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		<title>By: Schpanky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schpanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lost me at &quot;Hello Dolly&quot;....  but I came back in at &quot;just go fish&quot;...  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lost me at &#8220;Hello Dolly&#8221;&#8230;.  but I came back in at &#8220;just go fish&#8221;&#8230;  <img src='http://unaccomplishedangler.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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